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22 Jul 2019 12:54:01
Was thinking about the WBC making whyte mandatory and when he will get his shot. Wilder next is fighting ortiz probably in November then he has the fury rematch probably around May 2020, then if he gets beat he could have a 3rd fight with Ortiz or fury who will jump ahead of Whyte. So in all reality Whyte might not get his shot at the WBC title until early 2021.

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21 Jul 2019 00:01:31
I think Fury could take Wilder and Whyte out both on the same night.

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21 Jul 2019 22:02:17
What restaurant do you think he’d take them out to?

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21 Jul 2019 23:13:18
Canvas.

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22 Jul 2019 00:18:10
The bookies will happily take your money.

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22 Jul 2019 01:44:27
I reckon he could do it orthodox or southpaw.

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22 Jul 2019 07:51:43
He's already had 12 rounds to put wilder on the canvas. Had a nice little nap on it himself though.

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22 Jul 2019 08:58:59
I agree that he completely out boxes both.
The same night?

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22 Jul 2019 10:14:16
A year sharper Fury will not be anywhere near the canvas next time rian.

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22 Jul 2019 12:21:12
I hope you're right, I'm a big fan too. I'd love to see him stop wilder but I see him winning on points.

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22 Jul 2019 12:39:59
Whyte is a mile behind the top guys at heavyweight, imo he's happy fighting other contenders cause he know all the champs would beat him and he then has to start over.

Fan of fury myself but don't underestimate Wilders power, if he catches fury again he could easily put him to sleep and fury knows it. That fight is not a walk in the park at some r making out.

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16 Jul 2019 21:03:51
Khan to fight Pacquiao 8th Nov in Saudi Arabia. Last hoorah for both I expect.

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17 Jul 2019 00:27:04
Mannys camp have denied it, Roro mate, it seems Khan has jumped the gun.

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17 Jul 2019 11:54:02
They will fight no doubt about it. One last money spinner.

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17 Jul 2019 17:54:38
Mannys camp have said that no agreement is in place, they aren't happy with Khan announcing it, like you say Roro, it should happen eventually, just a pity both of them are passed their best now.

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17 Jul 2019 20:57:03
Mannys camp can say what they want mate. Pacquiao runs the show and we all know he's not fighting for the love of it anymore. Imo he won't refuse the type of money that will be on offer to face Khan.

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18 Jul 2019 00:36:12
Don't you kid yourself mate, it's the tv network's and promoter's who run boxing.

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18 Jul 2019 11:45:28
Pacquiao calls the shots on his career mate. Doesn't matter what tv channel it's on, if some rich Arab is willing to pay u 15mil of his own money to fight in his back yard, what has the tv companies got to do with it. Pacquiao is also a promotional free agent in boxing, which means he controls his own career. We r talking about an eight weight Hall of framer here, not some up and coming prospect.

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18 Jul 2019 15:21:46
He's at the end of his career mate, he's not the big tv draw he once was.

{Ed001's Note - are you kidding? There are millions of Pinoy around the world who are paying to watch it PPV on TFC. Pacman is a monster draw still.}

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18 Jul 2019 16:15:15
Sorry I must correct my previous post. Pacquiao signed with Al Haymon last year but as an adviser/ manager. All of Pacquiaos fights r co promoted by PBC and MP promotions which is pacquiaos own promotional company.

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18 Jul 2019 20:59:14
Too much money on offer for that fight not to happen.

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19 Jul 2019 02:47:03
In his home nation yes ed, but I wouldn't say that he had the same ppv draw in America now though.

{Ed001's Note - why would that matter? He still makes a huge amount from around the world, amongst the biggest of any boxer, he doesn't need the US. Not everything is about the Americans.}

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19 Jul 2019 13:19:33
The yanks run boxing ed, you just have to look at where Fury and AJ were boxing recently.

{Ed001's Note - not really, only for those, such as Fury and AJ, that do not have the possibility to earn the money elsewhere. Pacquiao makes more elsewhere, the US is not that big a deal to him. It was in the past, but not any more.}

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19 Jul 2019 16:03:45
Do you think that the Fury v Wilder rematch will be at Wembley ed? I can't see a fight of that stature being in an indoor arena.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea, there are quite a few places it could be held.}

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19 Jul 2019 16:22:06
Fury must have first choice to take it to the UK I would think ed?

{Ed001's Note - it will depend on lots of factors, such as available dates in potential locations. So it could end up anywhere.}

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20 Jul 2019 10:36:40
The price of ppv means the rematch will take place on American soil again.

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20 Jul 2019 20:29:52
Wembley or Old Trafford I heard from my Manchester Irish friends.

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21 Jul 2019 02:17:32
Most likely Vegas. Fury is doing lots of media work in the US to build his profile and sell the fight there. The trilogy fight will probably in England.

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21 Jul 2019 13:20:58
Surely you don't think that there's going to be a third fight after Fury schools him again? Everyone knows who the true heavyweight champion of the world is.

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21 Jul 2019 15:27:25
Vegas would be my guess.

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16 Jul 2019 00:40:34
Sad news about about pernell witaker, RIP.

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16 Jul 2019 20:16:58
He was such a great boxer. Sad news indeed Roro.

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17 Jul 2019 17:50:50
Very sad, from what I remember, he was a classy boxer.

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13 Jul 2019 22:58:23
My dear old Grandad used to say u had to knock an American out in America to get a draw. Well the same can be said about Britain now, that Joyce fight was a disgrace.

U said it hsf mate afew weeks ago, getting bored of all the crap in boxing now.

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13 Jul 2019 23:59:38
The Fury draw was probably the worst decision in the last few months roro, boxing and horse racing have been the most fixed sports ever.

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14 Jul 2019 13:08:59
I always liked Joyce used to think he was a likeable big lad but he annoyed me last night. Got on like a prick, just looked like a big doorman trying to bully someone.

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13 Jul 2019 14:47:16
Daniel Dubois vs Nathan Gorman
Fight Preview.

The names Dubois and Gorman are legendary among fighting folklore. Sylvia Dubois was born into slavery and used her incredible strength to fight her way to freedom, Bartley Gorman 'The Most Dangerous unarmed Man On The Planet' was the great bare-knucke champion who retired undefeated and gained the official title of 'King Of The Gypsies', . On Saturday night the names Dubois and Gorman will enter into another battle as the fighting ancestors of Sylvia and Bartley face each other in London at the O2 arena. Daniel Dubois (11,0,0 10kos) will challenge fellow British prospect Nathan Gorman (16,0,0 11kos) for the vacant British heavyweight title. Billed as 'Heavy Duty', the card will feature fellow heavyweight prospect Joe Joyce as he takes on former heavyweight world title challenger Bryant Jennings.

Like his heavy handed ancestor Daniel Dynamite Dubois 'Triple D' is all about sheer strength. With a 91% knock out ratio the 6' 5" Greenwich East-London native has lived up to his family name so far in his short career. Trained by the highly regarded Martin Bowers at Canning Town's famous Peacock Gym he started boxing at the age of nine after his father Dave brought him to the gym and went on to achieve an excellent amateur record of 69-6 collecting two junior ABA titles, two junior International titles and a gold in the 2016 GB Championships. In 2016 he was also used as an sparring partner by a certain heavyweight by the name of Anthony Joshua. A big left hook from the Dynamite Kid is rumoured to have put the former unified heavyweight champion on the seat of his pants, and talk starting growing of a potential Gold for GB at the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo, before signing with Frank Warren in 2017.

In the paid ranks Dubois has excelled in his first 11 fights although he is yet to face an opponent who has really tested him. The veteran heavyweight Kevin Johnson is the only man so far to hear the final bell against Dubois using his experience to survive the ten round distance. Johnson who has been in with some of the best in his long career said of Dubois "His jab is better than Klitscko's, I just couldn't get past that jab, it's like being hit with another heavyweights right hand. " Triple D although his record might suggest otherwise is not a conclusive puncher according to Johnson describing the young brit as being heavy handed who wears you down with a series of heavy shots. Still very raw DDD, can be a little eager to get involved in a shoot -out instead of sticking to his boxing, although he does produce some lovely work when working behind his ramrod jab. He attacks the body with deadly combinations which often end with a vicious uppercut . Still only 21 years of age Dubois is a baby in the heavyweight division and has his eyes set on Herbie Hides record of 22 years and six months as the youngest Britain to win a world title and if he beats Gorman on Saturday his name will be in the world title mix.

With his head trainer Ricky 'Hitman' Hatton by his side Nathan Gorman says he's in the shape of his life "we're training for a knockout. A wins a win but with what I'm going through in this gym, I want to walk out of there on July 13th having put a spectacular show on. I've had world class sparring partners, and with all the other stuff in the gym I'm smashing all my records. Come July 13th I'll be flying, I'm coming to take that belt at all costs. " The Cheshire man is right to be confident, he and Dubois have shared a ring before, this time as amateurs in the GB setup and Gorman claims he always got the upper hand in their sessions. Gorman is the latest of heavyweights to come from the Travelling Community and like his distant cousin Tyson Fury he is also undefeated. Unlike his opponent Gorman is not the body beautiful type, at age 11 he weighed 12 stone and was a fully fledged 95 kilo (15 stone) super heavyweight at age 15. His amateur career spammed eight years losing only once in 12 fights, collecting the youth ABA's and three nation titles along the way, now 6' 4.5" with a 73" reach Gorman has continued that good form into the professionals.

Like his midland ancestor, Nathan has quick hands and feet and has great variety in his punches. He attacks both head and body and has a quality jab of his own. His last three contests have went the distance and once again the old gatekeeper Kevin Johnson was one of them, using his tricks to lose on a unanimous decision. At only 23 years of age Gorman sees a victory on Saturday night propelling himself into world heavyweight contention. During camp his wife give birth to a baby girl and Gorman says that that has given him the extra motivation needed to defeat his rival.

Both men have legends backing their talents, former heavyweight WBC champion Frank Bruno said of Dubois " he's very much got the ingredients and I think if you slow him down a little bit, once he's matured, he's going to be unstoppable. " Former two weight world champion Ricky Hatton said of Gorman "Nathan has great upper body movement, great boxing ability, great hand speed. He will have no problem landing against Daniel. " Gorman also has the backing of new WBA, WBO and IBF heavyweight champion Andy Ruiz Jr, who has likened the match up to his recent win of Anthony Joshua. This is not the first time young British prospects have been pitted against each other, in 2011 James Degale and George Groves faced each other in only their 11th and 13th fight respectively and like Degale and Groves that's hope both these young hopefuls go on to world honours.

Written by Roro 1892.

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13 Jul 2019 22:59:51
Sorry for so late.

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14 Jul 2019 00:01:15
Nice piece roro mate 👍.

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14 Jul 2019 00:31:05
Cheers mate. Was good fight, did u see it? I was impressed with Dubois, reminded me of a heavyweight triple G.

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14 Jul 2019 11:47:42
Not yet mate, I'm going to watch it on YouTube later.

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20 Jul 2019 01:48:03
Dubious is the real deal, he will be undisputed heavy weight champion.

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21 Jul 2019 13:22:16
Have you not seen Fury Joey? Lol 😁.

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13 Jul 2019 20:44:14
I'm looking forward to this Dubois vs Gorman Fight tonight. It's good to see young prospects facing each other.

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14 Jul 2019 07:44:46
Personally Daniel should have stayed as Amatuer and won next yrs Olympics.
There seem such a rush to make money.
I just hope The Hearns don't get hold of him, when the AJ gravy train stops, which could derail completely in November.

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14 Jul 2019 13:42:26
Tbf I think the dream for Dubois is to become heavyweight world champion not Olympic gold winner.

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12 Jul 2019 21:13:06
Boxing on channel 5 now lads.

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12 Jul 2019 21:31:29
Supposedly Khan is getting 7m for tonite.

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12 Jul 2019 22:37:49
Hand speed still there.

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12 Jul 2019 22:42:42
Khan needs to catch himself on here, anyone else would feel wick for fighting a featherweight but he's running about like he's the main man.

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05 Jul 2019 19:21:42
Top 10 Heavyweights


I decided to only pick ones who had been world champions.



10. Rocky Marciano

Marciano was known for his tactics of hitting opponents on the arms to force them to drop their guard. The only heavyweight to retire unbeaten but his record is marred by many, many accusations of Mafia involvement helping him to his wins. It is hard to be sure if he really was as good as his record suggests because of those rumblings.



9. Floyd Patterson

Was the youngest when he won the title and is still one of the best. The problem is that he has been bettered by later boxers.



8. Max Schmeling

I have to be honest, I have picked him because I have a soft spot for a guy that goes out of his way to help those who have fallen on hard times. This was a guy the Nazi regime tried to build up as the Aryan ideal but he refused to dispense with his Jewish trainer and hid two Jewish children in his home to help them escape Nazi persecution. Later, after the war, he became immensely wealthy by buying the Coca-Cola bottling rights in Germany and used his money to help out his great rival, Joe Louis, when he fell on hard times. He also helped pay for Louis's funeral after he died.



7. Joe Frasier

He was unlucky to be around at the time he was, in almost any other era he would have been head and shoulders above the competition. It was probably the golden age for heavyweight boxers, when there was genuine quality throughout the division.



6. George Foreman

His style may have been likened to the Mummy, but Foreman was one of the best boxers of all time at smothering opponents and not allowing them any time and space. His brute strength was enough to allow him to remain an effective boxer until well after he should have retired.



5. Lennox Lewis

Technically he was one of the best I ever saw, but he lacked any genuine class opponents to prove himself against. He was too late to the party to meet the Tysons and Holyfields at their peaks. Shame because he had the potential to be as good as anyone, but we will never know just how good he actually was.



4. Mike Tyson

For a short period he could probably have steamrollered any fighter, with a much higher skill level than he is given credit for. The loss of his guiding influence Cus D'Amato so early in his career allowed him to run riot, instead of concentrating on his training. Such a waste that talent like his was only able to be harnessed for a short period.



3. Muhammad Ali/Cassius Clay

While he called himself 'The Greatest' and there is a very reasonable argument to say he is so, for me it is hard to give him the credit for being so when he admitted himself that he copied his style from Jack Johnson in large part. Also he was robbed of a large portion of his peak years through no fault of his own. Though he was not the only one to have suffered due to war.



2. Joe Louis

My granddad's favourite boxer (he would often tell me about meeting him during the war) so I got to watch a lot of the Brown Bomber, including his fights with Schmeling. He was an incredible boxer but another to suffer through losing his peak years to a war.



1. Jack Johnson

He was so good that he broke down the boundaries between colour in boxing. Prior to him black boxers were dismissed as being nowhere good enough to compete with white fighters. Johnson was just too good to be dismissed. He brought riding punches into professional boxing and was the first black heavyweight champion of the world. And he always maintained that his defeat was because he was forced to throw the fight.

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05 Jul 2019 19:54:44
Can't say I'd disagree with that list, although I personally would rank Tyson lower down the list, imo.

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05 Jul 2019 20:30:32
I'd take Schmeling and Paterson off that list and put Jack Dempsey and Sonny Liston in there.

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05 Jul 2019 21:34:33
Good write up that ed, cheers.

Did u know that Jack Johnson give tactical advice to max schmeling before his first fight with Louis? Apparently Johnson wanted to fight Louis seeing flaws in his defence and that he was especially open to an overhand right, and when Louis refused to fight him, Johnson travelled to the schmeling camp and told them what he knew.

{Ed001's Note - yeah though it is usually claimed Schmeling spotted the way Louis tended to drop his right when he threw lefts.}

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05 Jul 2019 23:21:22
Sounds about right ed mate, schmeling did like to study videos of his opponents.

{Ed001's Note - as all boxers should, but still many don't.}

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06 Jul 2019 20:58:01
I think that's a confidence thing ed. Most fighters constantly need reassuring that they r great and stupidity don't do the necessary preparation.

On the list, Larry Holmes deserves a spot imo.

{Ed001's Note - I actually thought I had Liston in there, I think he deserves a speck, not so sure about Holmes, he was there to pick off past-their-prime fighters really, so it is difficult to judge him.}

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06 Jul 2019 22:46:35
I was also thinking about modern day heavyweights. It's a shame that none of them were/ are good enough to make the list, both Klitscko bros would be top 20 for me. What u think mate?

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07 Jul 2019 00:58:46
At his peak, I would have to say the number one heavyweight of all time would be Mike Tyson, purely for his ferocious punching power, he would have knocked both Fury and AJ spark out, sadly drugs finished him off.

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07 Jul 2019 11:54:14
Peak Foreman v Peak Tyson? I know who I'd back.

Anyway, peak Tyson is ATG for sure, but over the course of his great career top 10 yes, but beyond that not so sure.

Thanks for posting Ed001, it's a great topic to explore.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate, I am enjoying reading the opinions.}

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07 Jul 2019 12:19:06
Foreman with his stiff style would have been perfect for Tyson to soften him up, and take him out with ferocious uppercuts up through his guard, he would have knocked anyone out at his peak, it was sad to see the way he ended up trying to fight, addicted to drugs.

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07 Jul 2019 12:21:12
I think your top ten middleweights is going to be a blockbuster ed, what a choice of legends you have in that division mate.

{Ed001's Note - that will be a tough choice.}

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07 Jul 2019 12:53:40
Top 4 easy enough to pick I think ed, it's the next 6 that might give you the problem deciding, Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns?

{Ed001's Note - Sugar Ray Robinson?}

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07 Jul 2019 13:02:16
That's what I mean ed, it's such a difficult choice lol, best of luck with it mate lol.

{Ed001's Note - I just hope I don't leave people out this time! I always forget someone.}

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07 Jul 2019 14:13:15
Ray Robinson is the all time lb for lb number one.

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07 Jul 2019 20:32:27
Monzon has to be at number 2.

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08 Jul 2019 18:30:50
Canelo and GGG have to in it for me. I don't know if duran should be in the middleweight top 10, he was prob the best light weight of all time not middleweight. Leonard aswell more of a welterweight.

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08 Jul 2019 20:55:04
The problem with Mike tyson championship rounds was not drugs mate it was that tyson is an emotional wreck with serious mental issues.

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08 Jul 2019 21:43:49
Think manny pacquiao won a middleweight title.

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09 Jul 2019 01:36:07
Roro, Duran and Leonard fought in some great fights at middleweight, we know that they also fought at other weights, and it was drugs that finished Tyson, he had mental health problems since he was a kid, but it didn't stop him from becoming world champion.

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09 Jul 2019 07:45:58
I don't believe you missed out the Manassa Mauler Jack Dempsey. I remember in the 60's my granddad used to call my older brother Jack, mauler after him. He used to say Dempsey was the greatest and he put boxing on the map. It must be hard to pick 10 Ed but no Jack Dempsey my granddad would be turning in his grave.

{Ed001's Note - I have never seen him fight so couldn't include him.}

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09 Jul 2019 09:12:53
Fair enough Ed, I am just giving him a shout out for my grandparents who probably only seen him in the cinema newsreels. He was a small man and in his era the greatest.

{Ed001's Note - I did think about including him but I just thought I should stick to ones I have seen footage of.}

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09 Jul 2019 11:35:28
Championship rounds, if u r going to include duran then include him when he was at his best which was lightweight. That's like saying I'm including Roy Jones jnr at heavyweight.

It wasn't drugs that made tyson not train for the Douglas fight, it wasnt drugs that made tyson go to jail. It wasn't drugs that made tyson split from kevin rooney and teddy atlas. Tyson was a great fighter for about 3 years but sadly he didn't have it between the ears to fullfill his true potential.

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09 Jul 2019 12:59:18
Ed001 there is lots of footage of Jack Dempsey online. In fact a lot more than there is of Jack Johnson or Max Schmeling.

If you had left him out of your to 10 because you didn't think he deserved it fair enough.

But to say you couldn't include him because you've never seen him fight, massively weakens the credibility of your top ten.

{Ed001's Note - weakens the credibility? Wtf? It is a personal top 10. What a bizarre statement. I don't care if there is a billion hours of Dempsey online, I have never seen any of it and I don't have time to sit and look at it either nor the inclination if I did. I really think you are taking this far too seriously.}

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09 Jul 2019 13:34:57
I lost respect for Dempsey when I heard he refused to fight jack johnson because he was a black man. Prob a lot more to it though, I just remember reading it afew years ago.

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09 Jul 2019 17:19:55
Wow what an over reaction Ed001.

I guess you're entitled to be a bit embarrassed for leaving two all time greats from your top ten!

{Ed001's Note - me over reacting? Have you tried looking in the mirror lately? It is an off the head list and you are taking it all way too seriously like it actually matters.}

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09 Jul 2019 17:26:08
I've read some really complimentary stuff that Dempsey is supposed to have said about Johnson back in the day Roro.

I also read somewhere that they fought in secret but I find it hard to believe. I think politics may have been the reason they didn't fight.

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09 Jul 2019 17:45:36
Ha ha I'm embarrassed for you Ed001.

Everyone on this site knows you're a hothead!

{Ed001's Note - whatever. You should be embarrassed for yourself, you are getting all carried away about nothing, but if it makes you happy to seem like a big man on the net, you just keep on going sunshine. Bless ya, I am sure you actually think it matters.}

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09 Jul 2019 21:01:46
Roro we are talking about the great fights Duran had against the top guys at middleweight, it's about the middleweight division, you are missing the point, and Tyson never trained because he was out partying on drink and drugs, also Tyson had plenty between his ears, he was a boxing historian who spent hours studying old fights and honing his technique.

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09 Jul 2019 21:05:04
I'm just thinking, here's another list for you ed when you've done all the weights, top ten greatest boxing venues.

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09 Jul 2019 22:43:07
Well Duran wouldn’t be in my middleweight top 10, I’d prefer to have fighters who were at their best in that division like Harry Greb, LaMotta and Hopkins.

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10 Jul 2019 02:35:48
Fury top 5, 12 months fron now you'll see why.

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10 Jul 2019 18:46:10
He might even end up higher lerchy.

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10 Jul 2019 18:47:25
Hopkins had most of his fights at heavier weights.

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10 Jul 2019 21:40:06
Your not getting my point championsship rounds mate. Yes Hopkins boxed at heavier weights but he was at his best at middleweight.

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10 Jul 2019 22:14:15
I think Hopkins fought around 40 times at middleweight, more than 20 of those fights were for world titles. He did start and end his career at LHW though. Without doubt one of the all time great middleweights imo.

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11 Jul 2019 06:37:41
There have been some great Middleweights I am not saying these guys get in the top 10 but one of my favourite fights was the boxer Michael second to nunn vJames lights out Toney. Toney completely out boxed for eight rounds then slowly breaking Nunn down and knocking him out in the 11th. A great fight.

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11 Jul 2019 09:10:43
That was a great fight. Not taking anything away from toney, but nunn was struggling with the weight by that stage, and moved up straight after that. His only loss at middleweight I think.

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11 Jul 2019 13:46:49
I agree, Nunn was dead at the weight.
He was without doubt one of the slickest southpaw middleweights.
Toney could bang though.

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11 Jul 2019 14:20:28
Toney was a huge puncher. Carried that power up to heavyweight.

I still think Nunn was a very special talent. He was released from prison a few months ago. Hopefully there's a job for him in boxing. He must be about 50 now.

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13 Jul 2019 13:30:12
Have to disagree there roro mate.

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04 Jul 2019 21:14:44
VADA won't be in charge of drug testing for the Pacquiao vs Thurman fight. Expect manny to punch the head off his now.

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05 Jul 2019 22:00:23
Inb4 100 punches per round from Manny Pacquiao, until the 12th, where he will throw 250 punches, as his EPO kicks in.

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