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27 Feb 2021 11:19:13
Just watched Parker vs Fa on DAZN this morning. Fight was boring and I had Fa winning the fight by 1 round.

Parker won via UD which I don't agree with, but can accept it as it was a close fight with a few rounds either way.
One scorecard was 119-109 which is a disgrace and that needs to be investigated.

Also I have no idea what that co-main event was, but it was fun. Lol.

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21 Feb 2021 12:45:11
Josh Kelly KO'd now. Damn it is not going well for us Brits at the minute haha.

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22 Feb 2021 17:36:53
Was good scrap just came too soon for Kelly, hopefully he will learn from it.

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23 Feb 2021 05:52:35
Yeah in hindsight it came way too soon, even Benn has swerved mentioning Avanesyan as an opponent (before he beat Kelly) .

Kelly needs to work on his stamina and work on pacing himself through a fight. He's so fast and elusive for the first 4 rounds but then he gets tired and slows an awful lot.

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26 Feb 2021 16:54:20
Not strong enough, doesn't punch hard enough, not the best chin and questionable stamina.

His skill set is immense though. He's a boxer, not a fighter. can't ever see him taking fully to World level with his limited physical attributes.

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27 Feb 2021 13:26:05
Hes a massive welterweight so I wonder if a step up in weight would benefit him?

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19 Feb 2021 20:14:36
MTK have show on tonight free on YouTube. Commonwealth title fight heading the show.

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26 Feb 2021 17:15:10
MTK have a lot of fight nights on youtube mate. They are shown by IFL TV.

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26 Feb 2021 20:58:16
Hsf, what do u think of ifl tv?

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18 Feb 2021 20:29:39
Alot of talk on the scoring atm. The problem imo is that judges in the UK r asked if a round is close they should try and find a winner. They r not encouraged to give 10/ 10 rounds, and there's the problem. Any close round will be given to the home fighter.
Rules need to change.

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18 Feb 2021 22:55:09
Completely agree.

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14 Feb 2021 12:45:46
Sky's contract with AJ and Matchroom both run out this year although there is a guarantee that the Fury v Joshua fight will be on Sky box office. I really hope Sky don't sign a new exclusive contract with Matchroom again and they probably won't as matchroom r looking to push this DAZN UK.
Think Sky Sports boxing has suffered to a degree to accommodate Joshua. Its no wonder the only fight in the UK since the C.V. started to have fans attend was Joshua's fight. Think he takes too much of the overall pot that the undercards for his shows r poor.
I really hope Sky start to work with different promoters from around the world and give us more variety in our viewing.

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14 Feb 2021 20:10:20
I see what you're saying. The problem is that Joshua is too big of a draw, much like Canelo. You don't buy their PPV events for the undercard, plus where are they going to pull the money from?

For the most part, Matchroom/ Sky fight cards are pretty good. We get a good balance of prospects, contenders and champions on almost all cards. Occasionally you get a stinker but that's bound to happen at some point.

Sky do show events from around the world, but there seems to be a very specific crtiera for it.
- A big name (Wilder, Inoue, Canelo, Golovkin etc) .
- To get a fighter known in the UK for their next fight against a Brit
- To promote a rivalry (Joshua vs Wilder for example) .

I would assume the reason for this is because of costs. For example Eddie has been getting asked a lot about fights from abroad not being picked up by Sky, more specifically the Lomachenko vs Lopez fight and he's saying they're cost cutting so any offers will be less than they would normally offer.

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15 Feb 2021 11:07:27
The undercard when Joshua fights r terrible mate. I tell u the undercard here if he fights Fury; Lawrence Okolie v journeyman, Joshua Buatsi v same, then Warren and Arum will put a fight on it possibly Nathan Gorman or Dubois vs limited opposition.

I remember sky used to have good quality domestic nearly every week. Friday Fight Nights, then they moved it to Saturday fight nights and they have been getting fewer and fewer every year. Wheres prizefighter? Wheres Ringside Show? Imo Sky has started to cater for casual boxing fans. I have afew friends who r causal boxing fans and I asked them would u pay £50 to watch Fury v Joshua, not one of them said yes, so it's not even working for Sky.
They react to social media with how they get on in the studio. One of the best things I used to love about Sky sports boxing was their commentary and punditry. Now it's the worst in the sport. I can listen to Johnny Nelson, Bellew or Adam Smith talk absolute bias rubbish.

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15 Feb 2021 11:42:30
Listening to Hearn the other day and he said about Warrington giving up his belt. Just imagine Hearn govimg this advice to Joshua. Hearn said that Warrington didn't want to give his belt up, Hearn " just give your belt up" Warrington "then I'll not be champion" hearn " Who's gives a f**k? ".
That's how Hearn said the conversation with Warrington went.

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16 Feb 2021 00:14:56
I already pay 90 quid to sky I'm not paying anymore for ppv it's a joke.

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17 Feb 2021 12:02:56
It's all well and good bemoaning Sky, they're far from perfect, but where else are we going to watch boxing? BT Sport is just the same only less frequent. Or will we have to fork out another subcription fee to the likes of ESPN or DAZN? I'd rather not.

Sky might not be brilliant but be careful what you wish for!

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17 Feb 2021 22:30:34
DAZN is very cheap on the subscription fee, but it shows with their presentations. The commentary is just awful and if the event is a DAZN exclusive, the venue looks tacky and the set up is a bit questionable. The fights are usually pretty good though and you do get an awful lot for what you're paying for.

BT Sport probably has the best punditry and commentary in the UK, but the cards are usually very thin and half the fights are a bit meh. The set up looks nice and also the promotional videos they do are usually very good. I feel that they put more effort into UFC events though as it probably makes them more money.

Sky Sports is by far the leading broadcaster in the UK for Boxing, they have the biggest names in the UK, the best production and arguably the best fight cards in the UK. The commentary is the worst by a long way though, Adam Smith has a great voice for commentary and has had some epic moments, but the bias toward their own fighters is probably the worst in the world and more recently, we're starting to see more and more dodgy scorecards.
Also you would expect their pricing to be higher than the rest, given the quality of production and the value on the fight cards (AJ cards excluded) but it's a very high price and in my opinion is not worth it.

Personally, I would like to see DAZN step up their production value and replace their commentary and punditry teams, also hire someone like Boxing Legends TV or Motividia to do their promo work. I think they could make a push for the #1 spot if they do that.

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18 Feb 2021 16:07:25
I agree Sky r the biggest platform over here and Matchroom r the biggest promoters and they have both used each other to good effect. My problem is when Anthony Joshua came on the scene they saw the appeal he had across the general public and to cash in on this they started catering for causal fans. Throwing in these back stories and plotlines, it's like watching a pantomime at times.
Matchrooms business model was come sign for us we get u on sky sports box office which has ultimately damaged them. Take last year for example, they passed up on the chance to buy the lomachenko v Lopez fight and decided to throw out three ppv events from Oct to Dec instead (one was worthy of ppv) . Bt sports on the other hand put Dubois v Joyce on their normal channel.
It's ok bringing these casual fans in and trying to grow the sport around Joshua but u have to be careful u don't hinder the sport by not showing the fights the fans want. Also, after AJ leaves r the causal fans going to stick around? It's ok for them paying £50 to watch fury but will they pay for the next up and coming star? I don't think they will so matchroom and sky's current model is for short time gain. That's why I want Sky sports to get back to being about the boxers and fights not the back story.

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18 Feb 2021 17:56:44
Maybe it's me. Boxing hasn't seemed the same last few years for me. I gravitate to the history of the sport more these days rather than the current.

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14 Feb 2021 00:13:26
Warrington KO'd.

Drops the belt and gets KO'd. Not good timing for him.

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14 Feb 2021 12:22:25
How good was it to see the boxing back? Seemed like forever since there was a full night.
I don't remember Warringtons defence being that poor. Lara didn't throw a straight punch all night and couldn't miss. Maybe it was the lack of fans, long lay off or he just underestimated him but its certainly a huge setback for Warrington. Loses the rematch and he's in trouble.

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14 Feb 2021 20:14:33
Yeah something didn't seem right with him. He's not fought since October 2019, so it could ring rust, but he certainly didn't look like the #1 featherweight like people were claiming.

Interestingly, there isn't a single featherweight in the top 18 who are undefeated on BoxRec, only #19 and #20 are undefeated in the top 20 lol.

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15 Feb 2021 11:39:44
I was actually thinking about how many undefeated boxers the UK had afew years ago now at that level the UK only has Fury, Taylor and Saunders left.

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17 Feb 2021 22:48:29
I think people put too much emphasis on keeping the 0. Unfortunately this all came from the Mayweather era, where he would say "you've lost so how can you beat me" or "He lost, so how can he be rated higher than me in the all time list"? etc. Because he was the biggest star in Boxing at the time, people would take it as gospel, even though half the names on the list would have likely beaten Mayweather.

World level fighters lose, it's a fact of the sport and people calling fighters a 'bum' because they've lost is just stupid and disrespectful.

There needs to be a detox in Boxing, as having 1 loss on your record can more often than not lead to your career being over in this era.

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18 Feb 2021 16:16:15
That's true about Mayweather and his 0. Think though that was one of the reasons his fights sold so well. a lot wanted to see him lose.

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11 Feb 2021 08:43:08
Alright Ed's? Any idea why posts r being taken off this page?

{Ed001's Note - there has been a server reset by the host company which saw them lose loads of posts on some sites.}

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11 Feb 2021 10:38:37
Oh right no worries cheers Ed.

{Ed001's Note - it doesn't happen often thankfully. }

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10 Feb 2021 21:37:29
Fury v Joshua £40 ppv.

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11 Feb 2021 21:03:44
I kind of expected it to be this much. Ever since Sky upped it to £24.99 from £19.99 I knew this would happen. This isn't the end of the price increase either by the way, I suspect the rematch will be £50.

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12 Feb 2021 16:15:11
Just think its abit of a con. Both fighters say they want the fight, it's not about the belts its about who's the best. But they also have to get 100mil each anything under that and it's just not worth it, it seems.

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12 Feb 2021 21:38:22
A once in an era event, why not grab as much money as possible?

But then again there is a C.V., not many people are working right now and some people aren't even qualifying for Furlough, so putting the price up is a cold move.

But thankfully there is a wonderful thing known as the internet.

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13 Feb 2021 08:19:38
I don't think the British and Irish fans should be made to pay more because they can't sell as many ppv buys as they would like.
Tbh I don't mind paying for a fight of this magnitude, it's the other ppv fights that do my head in. Listened to Eddie Hearn last night on a podcast and he was saying about how ppv is hurting the sport. I've been banging on about this for years and it's mostly Hearns fault. For example, none of Dillian Whytes figts should have been ppv, why r we still being asked to pay for his fights? What's the point of his rematch with Povetkin? Winner goes for belt? Been hearing that for 3 years now. I don't mind paying top dollar for top fighters and fights but for too long Hearn has been serving WWF style rubbish.

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17 Feb 2021 12:05:33
They obviously need to cover the cost of the missing gate receipts - It is a business after all.

I've no problem with paying £40.00 to see the fight of the century, if it's needed to make it happen.

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18 Feb 2021 18:59:16
Me either mate, although there will be fans and gate money at this fight.

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18 Feb 2021 19:18:25
The reason its rumoured to be £40 is nothing to do with the gate. Its because of the time difference and the fact Joshua is not a draw in America they will not sell as many ppv buys in America to give the two fighters 100mil each, so to make up for that we have to pay double the price. Again I don't mind personally paying for a fight of this magnitude although I think at that price if the fight is not good, it could hurt the viewing numbers for years to come. It's the other ppv fights that r not ppv that do my head in mate.

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06 Feb 2021 21:52:33
WBA starting to not be recognised as legitimate World title. can't have 4 world champs in every weight, leading to ring magazine and boxing monthly not recognising their title holders as champs.

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08 Feb 2021 00:12:29
Interesting. We were only talking about the WBO possibly losing it's clout but the WBA, the oldest of them all is the one going down that road.

I completely agree about the stupid amount of belts that they have. This Don King fiasco just highlighted the ridiculousness of the WBA with it's multi world champions and interim champions. And the fact that Fres Oquendo is STILL contracted to fight for the title (because of a court ruling) is just insane.

Plus it has arguably the loopiest rankings I've ever seen. WHY is Stiverne, Dinu and Arreola ranked? Bogdan Dinu is number 3. I don't even.

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10 Feb 2021 19:29:52
You're right for the most part, but I don't think Dinu or Stiverne was about sanctioning fee's. I think in Dinu's case it's a little beyond that and more about propping some other fighter up. He'll get a fight with someone like Wilder, Kownacki or Ruiz Jr, they will build it as a top 10 bout and make it some kind of eliminator, just to pad the record a little more.

With Stiverne it just had Don King written all over it. He hasn't fought anyone since Joyce (2019) and wasn't ranked. Then Charr gets stripped, Stiverne gets ranked and he's lined up to fight Trevor Bryan. This all happened in under 12 hours lol.

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11 Feb 2021 10:40:45
King has always had influence over the governing bodies. WBC bent over backwards to accommodate him for years.

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11 Feb 2021 10:51:32
The book I'm reading atm called Dark Trade has an interesting King tale. Tim Witherspoon was a Don King fighter and when he put his WBA title on the line against Bruno in 1986 Witherspoon was to receive $1.7m. The total amount Witherspoon walked away with was $90 grand. After, King said he had to pay $115 grand to the WBA, $75 grand to taxman and $1.4 million was taken for training expenses, sundries and of course Don and his sons managerial fee.

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11 Feb 2021 21:56:26
Don King is a cancer and more or less ruined the 80s for American heavyweights. There is a generation of American Heavyweights (known as the lost generation) that should have achieved great things, but because of Don King, a lot of them either retired prematurely or became journeymen as King had too much sway over the organisations.

He also got away with murder, has been constantly seen bribing officials, always treats his fighters like dirt.

When he dies it will be celebrated by the Boxing community like Thatchers death was celebrated by the Scousers.

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05 Feb 2021 18:13:48
Daniel Dubois has parted ways with trainer Martin Bowers and joined up with Mark Tibbs.

Smart move, his corner were just cheerleaders before.

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06 Feb 2021 21:49:58
He needs to start at novice level again mate. That eye is major issue.

Personally, I don't like fighters leaving trainers after a loss which was not trainers fault.

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07 Feb 2021 01:56:55
To be to Dubois, he's was only doing what they were teaching him.
He stepped up to face Joyce and was getting beaten. His eye was swelling from the 4th round onwards and his corner didn't give him any tactical advice. When he said "my eye is giving me trouble" their response was "this is the fight game dan. " It's like ok, now tell him how to protect it.

It's just as bad as Tunde Ajayi with Yarde, all he ever said was "Lions in the camp" and "empty the tank".

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07 Feb 2021 14:42:36
Like Apollo Creed saying "hes just a man, be more man than him. "lol
I think he got found out and they all have to take some blame. Blame Warren for rushing him, blame the trainer for lack of leadership and tactics, and blame Dubois for giving up (harsh I know) certainly would have done the same if I were Dubois.
He boxed well and was ahead on the scorecards, not a lot of fighters could have took what Joyce took that night, although he was broken by the jab of Joyce. There are a number of ways to defend against a jab but these should have been ironed out in camp, not mid fight.
I think Dubois needs to step away learn his craft more and improve his footwork which is best defence against any jab. Personally though sorry to say I think that injury has finished him as a fighter.

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08 Feb 2021 00:28:57
But that just highlights his lack of being trained when you think about it. It's alright working on a tight guard, power and technique but if you don't know how to apply all that in a fight, you're not being trained properly.

I remember a lot of people asking for AJ to switch trainers after losing, but I was completely against that because AJ just didn't do what his corner told him. Whether that's because he was concussed or because his ego got in the way is another thing. But the instructions given to AJ were simple and would (if applied correctly) have likely got him out of trouble that night.

It's also worth noting, that his corner forced him to quit. They should have pulled him out or thrown the towel in before he took a knee. It was clear from 3 rounds prior to it being stopped, that Joyce was turning the fight around and jabbing Dubois into submission. Something that every single fighter should be saved from having to do - as that damages their career more than losing.

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