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23 Jun 2019 02:53:53
Seeing the state of some of these heavyweights, Mike Tyson looks in better shape at a week off his 53rd birthday, Tyson Fury will clean up all the 4 belts within a year.

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23 Jun 2019 22:37:02
Who cares what body type they've got if they can fight? And Tyson in his peak wasn't exactly known for his championship round ko's, was he?
If they can go 12 rounds, fight to a high level and sell tickets what does it matter?
I won't argue with you that Fury will clean up the division, but I don't think it will be in a year. Wilder will be fighting Ortiz next and Ruiz will be rematching Joshua, Ruiz vs Joshua will likely be a trilogy if Joshua wins the rematch.
Wilder has also announced he'll be fighting Fury after Ortiz, which I think Fury wins. But then there will be a rematch clause so Fury will have to fight Wilder for a 3rd time, which means the earliest the division can be cleaned up is 2021.
That's not even including potential mandatories, which will be called for the WBA and IBF in 2020.

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23 Jun 2019 23:35:39
Fury v Wilder is the only show in town, AJ has been found out like I said he would.

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23 Jun 2019 23:43:13
Joshua is nowhere, he doesn't have any titles, he will probably get beat in the rematch too, I know Fury hasn't got any titles too, but everyone knows he beat Wilder the last time.

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26 Jun 2019 21:16:15
What heavyweight r u talking about championship rounds mate? Have to remember different times these days and heavyweights r a lot bigger compared to years gone by.

Top 4 heavyweights in the world fury, wilder, Ruiz, and Joshua, only one in bad shape is ruiz. Behind them whyte, ortiz, Usyk, Parker, all decent shape, even the new guys like Joe Joyce ( even though he’s in his 30s), and Daniel Dubois r in good shape.

I agree heavyweight boxing was in a terrible state there but I’m just glad to have the heavyweight scene back again and enjoy the big men of boxing.

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19 Jun 2019 19:13:22
Ed001, in light of your excellent peice on Willie Pep, is there a way to have all your boxing articles put onto this site, via a "Boxing Legends and Villains" tab next to Boxing Talk 1 and 2 and Create New Post? I say villains because some of the suggestions in the list are far from legends.

Additionally, who do you plan to look into next?

{Ed001's Note - I have put your suggestion to Ed033 to look into, as it is a good idea.

I was thinking about doing Jack Johnson next, then after that doing someone from the modern era(ish) such as Naseem Hamed or similar.}

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19 Jun 2019 21:18:00
Good choices. Didn't Jack Johnson get recently pardoned by Trump?

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea to be honest.}

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24 Jun 2019 14:58:20
Any sign of the Ken Buchanan one ed?

{Ed001's Note - it will be a while, it takes me a long time to do each one as I will try and read everything I can find on each person, including books as well as stuff online. Sorry mate it might be a few months.}

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25 Jun 2019 09:58:47
No problem ed, I know a lot of research goes in by you on each individual, and these things take time.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate. I will try and get to it as quickly as possible or look at adding something via an And Finally article on him for you in the meantime.}

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25 Jun 2019 13:45:57
Thanks mate 👍.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

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17 Jun 2019 08:40:29
What are eds / people's thoughts on the physical condition of a lot of the heavyweights recently, they look like out-of-condition truck drivers?
Fury is a very good boxer, no doubt, but his skinny legs and jelly waist, doesn't exactly look athletic.
If the guy *really* got into shape, he'd be scary.
But it doesn't say a lot for the division when he's top dog?

{Ed001's Note - there has always been a fair amount of that in the heavyweight division to be honest. It is just that there has usually been one or two (or more) top class guys above them.}

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17 Jun 2019 15:58:31
There is no weight limit in heavyweight boxing and they aye such big men, a lot of them just eat too much.

Although there can be strategic thinking behind a heavyweight coming in overweight. The heavier you are the harder your punching power is going to be, also if you are fighting a more skillful fighter the extra weight gives u the advantage of being stronger in the clinches.

As long as a fighter is fit enough to carry it, a little extra weight can be useful, if not fit enough they r sitting ducks.
No excuse for a fighter coming in massively overweight though.

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17 Jun 2019 21:00:01
I’d say fury is in great shape and all body types are different. No matter what fury would never get ripped like Joshua and that’s just genetics. Oddly the ones with the muscles mostly seem less powerful and sometimes slower than the ones without. Mark hunt from the ufc is the perfect example of this. He’s probably the hardest one punch knock out artist going yet has the body of a sumo. That’s not to say he isn’t pure muscle he is but because of genetics it looks had more fat on top.

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18 Jun 2019 00:55:38
Muscles don't mean you can fight. They can help, there is a goldie locks zone for it like there is for life (as we know it) to survive. Too much muscle and you'll look impressive, however you'll be slow and likely gas out after a 3 punch combination. Not enough muscle and your power won't be effective. But with the correct amount you'll be able to balance speed and power to an effective means.

This is all subject to being trained though, as you could have the perfect body type to fight, but can't throw a punch to save your life. Very much like this guy in this video.

It's worth watching to the end, as you get a chance to see what happens when someone who can't fight, picks a fight with someone who most definitely can.

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18 Jun 2019 11:39:50
Why was that guy anywhere near a boxing ring? He should have just went to the barbers then went home.

On a serious note, his trainer or promotional team should have told him he's not a boxer.

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18 Jun 2019 22:49:39
I agree Roro, how he was able to get a boxing license is beyond me. I mean the BBBoC wouldn't give Let's Go Champ (Shannon Briggs) a license to fight in the UK, simply because of his age. Yet there are some pretty good boxers out there that he would still beat, such as David Price, Manuel Charr, Johan Duhaupus, Robert Helenius, plus many more. They might not be champion material (Charr has the WBA Regular title some how), but they're active and not really considered Journeymen (yet) .

Getting back to the original topic, Aside from Joshua and Holyfield, I can't really remember a champion who was as muscle bound as those two.

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19 Jun 2019 11:57:18
Bbboc have handed out some dodgy licences over the years, Freddie flintcroft springs to mind.

Off top of my head most muscle bound heavyweight fighter I can think of, prob frank burno.

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19 Jun 2019 15:57:52
Wow how did I forget Bruno?

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23 Jun 2019 08:44:15
Ken Norton was always in great shape when he was fighting.

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12 Jun 2019 15:00:29
Not posted in a little while as I've been busy. But reading the comments on here I thought I should reply to them.

Regarding Joshua:
As Roro pointed out, he was allegedly knocked out in Sparring by Dawejko (who is fighting Gassiev in July), if the rumours that AJ was concussed before the fight began, then someone is in very very big trouble.

I was saying to a friend of mine, that the way Joshua is at the moment is very similar to when Lewis lost to Rahman (Roro has already compared Ruiz to Rahman) . Joshua is spending large amounts of time away from training as he's fulfilling his ambassadorial roles at William Hill doing adverts, meet and greets, as well as attending events sponsored by William Hill. Plus he has other commitments with Under Armour, Beats by Dre, Sky, DAZN and many more.

Having watched the fight back numerous times without commentary or crowd noise, it's pretty clear to see that Joshua wasn't at his best. He put Ruiz down and then went for the kill. Unfortunately he got careless, got clipped and never recovered. He's been hit harder than he was against Ruiz and recovered fairly quickly (vs Whyte and vs Klitschko), so I'm actually leaning towards the rumours being true about the concussion. I expect the rematch to be a UD win for Joshua, as I expect him to refuse sponsor commitments and just focus on training.

Regarding Wilder:
He might be taking on the mantle of "the bad guy" but there is a huge difference between him and the likes of Mike Tyson. The biggest difference is resume, Wilder is cherry picking his fights, Tyson did not. The only fight he "ducked" was Lewis, but there is no shame in ducking from Lewis, as a lot of people didn't want to fight him.
Wilder is indeed powerful and explosive, but put someone in there that can move and he's screwed, we saw that against a 50% fight fit Fury, who took him to school for 12 rounds and got robbed. A cherry pick gone wrong.

Regarding the HW scene in general:
If memory serves me correctly, Wilder has 3 fights already lined up. Ortiz, Fury and Kownacki. So if that is true, I expect AJ to have a trilogy with Ruiz (unless Ruiz beats him again) with Dillian Whyte also getting his 2nd shot at AJ after.

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12 Jun 2019 19:25:47
Oh I also see a few people saying that Joshua's career is on the line. I don't think so, he's not even into his 30s yet and he's only had 23 fights professionally. He's made enough money to retire yes, but I don't think he will. Tyson didn't retire after back to back defeats to Holyfield, he still went on to fight Frans Botha, Julius Francis, Andrew Galota and Lennox Lewis.

I'd also like to point out to Lerchy, that Joshua wasn't selling crack, cocaine, meth, pills or heroin. He was selling Cannabis, at a low level too I might add, which is why he didn't get prison time. The likelihood is that he sold it to his mates, given that he was caught with 4 ounces of Cannabis. I'd hardly call that being a guy that "ruins lives". If it was harder stuff then yeah I'd agree with you. This comes from experience by the way, unfortunately I was a very impressionable young lad.

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13 Jun 2019 11:16:17
Good post that hsf, I agree with a lot of it.

Imo, fury is the only heavyweight who beats wilder. Fury is abit of a freak of nature, not many big men can move like him.

On mike tyson ( who was class), after he came out of jail he was fighting to pay his bills, he even said himself 'I haven't loved boxing since 1990'. If Joshua loses again, yes there will still be demand to see him but will his desire still be there to drop down again and rebuild.

On the rematch, one thing I was thinking that no1 seems to have mentioned is, how will ruiz react now to fulfilling a lifelong ambition and becoming champion? We have seen a lot of fighters before lose their hunger and even go off the rails abit when they become champion, how will he handle all this new frame, fortune, and pressure?

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13 Jun 2019 16:20:15
Personally I think there are two ways to beat Wilder.
1). Punch and move - very much like Fury does, Wilder seems to be bamboozled by anyone that moves, even the likes of Gerald Washington had Wilder confused for 4 rounds.

2). Crowd him out. Wilder has absolutely no inside game, he can't generate his explosive power from short ranges as his arms are too "gangley". He needs to swing in order to turn out peoples lights and you can't swing when someone is on your chest. It's also worth mentioning that Wilder is known for being bambi on ice when fighting on the back foot.

I honestly feel Wilder's days are numbered as champion, and I think his first loss will spell the end of his career, his ego is far too fragile to come back from a loss.

Andy Ruiz has got good people around him who will keep his feet on the ground. I don't think he'll fall apart and lose his hunger.

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13 Jun 2019 23:02:47
I don’t think wilder is all that hsf, we know he can really bang with the right, his left hook is good and carries some wack, he throws the odd good jab, but that’s it just them 3 things, tbf he did show a good chin against ortiz.

If u take fury out of it, imo every other heavyweight gets hit by him at some stage, a 50% fury who still moved better than an other heavyweight out there now got hit by him twice, both ko shots. Fury’s power of recovery was remarkable and imo I don’t think many other heavyweights out there have that either.

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09 Jun 2019 21:42:05
Sad news about Zab Judah. Hope he makes a full recovery.

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11 Jun 2019 23:41:49
Great to see he’s out of hospital and on the mend.

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12 Jun 2019 19:14:11
Was never a fan of Zab Judah, but I hope he makes a full recovery.
Not to steal the thread or anything, but have you seen Adonis Stevensons recovery? He's certainly living up to his nick name of Super Man.

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13 Jun 2019 15:28:37
Remarkable recovery hsf, now he wants to become a coach. Brilliant news.

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04 Jun 2019 23:11:21
i wasn't actually as shocked as some people were when ruiz beat joshua.
because even before the fight was speaking with friends about joshua and he always struggles a bit in fights where people fight up close to him and when he can't keep them at range with the jab and his defence is actually quite poor to.
have seen loads of rumours around that joshua was hurt prior to the fight but in my opinion I just think he underestimated ruiz (as did many others)

the rematch should be very interesting and agree with roro in another post that it could be the end for him if he loses again.

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06 Jun 2019 10:22:46
His career is on the line in the rematch mark .

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06 Jun 2019 19:19:32
Watched Joshua vs Ruiz fight again and imo what was wrong with AJ was that his mind was not on his work. Yes he trained hard, but there’s a different between training hard and just going through the motions.

Maybe he hype has got to him abit, let’s remember even though he’s a Olympic champ his amateur experience is limited and he’s been fast tracked as a professional, be tough for a young man to mentally accept that without any problems.

On the fight, never seen AJ hold his hands so low especially the left before. His punch selection was very poor, pawing with the jab and neglecting the right hand. Didn’t see him throw uppercut all fight, which is the prefect punch against ruiz. He gassed after being hit in the 3rd but imo that was more mental and he didn’t think ruiz could hurt him.

On a positive note for the rematch if u want AJ to win, he has shown he has the power to hurt Ruiz and I think he won’t make the same mistakes again.

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06 Jun 2019 22:16:00
Joe rogan claiming he has it from a good source that aj was actually ko’d in sparring during the week of the fight. After all this talk of concussion in football surely boxers should be checked over because as much as I enjoy calling him a flop he really didn’t look right.

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07 Jun 2019 12:07:25
World boxing news claimed it was joey Dawejko who floored AJ in sparring. I have no idea if true or not, I wonder why Joshuas da was cracking up at eddie hearn after?

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08 Jun 2019 00:22:35
Any decent manager would pull him out, looking back at the fight it look like he has some kind of concussion and he also apparently had a panic attack after the fight, absolutely disgusting if he’s fought concussed he could have died.

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09 Jun 2019 18:59:32
It would have been fight week he was knocked out in sparring if that actually happened as boxers usually finish sparring a week before the fight.

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03 Jun 2019 13:04:38
Seen a lot of people ridiculing Callum Smith for calling out canelo, saying he hasn’t fought anyone of merit. Isn’t that the point? He wants the big fights! These are the same people who ridicule boxers for ducking fights, in my opinion it would be a brilliant fight, I think smith would really trouble Canelo with his size and technique!

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03 Jun 2019 16:06:51
Don't see any problem with Smith wanting to fight the best, if he said he didn't want to fight Canelo then he would get stick too. Be a great fight imo.

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07 Jun 2019 08:40:48
Canelo named Smith after the Jacobs fight, so Smith was just saying he would take that fight.
A fight I think he can win.
Smith is a beast at that weight.

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09 Jun 2019 19:00:44
Smith will beat canelo IMO as long as it’s not in Vegas so the judges rob him.

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10 Jun 2019 10:26:36
I think it Would be great fight and I would be cheering on Smith bigtime but tbh I don’t think there’s a middleweight or super middleweight who could beat Canelo. If Smith waited a year or two till he moved up to light heavyweight he would have a better chance imo, but fair play to him anyway wanting to test himself against the best.

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12 Jun 2019 14:37:17
Smith beats Canelo, he's far too big for him. People will say "he beat up Rocky Fielding who's much bigger than Canelo" but Smith dispatched Fielding in 1 round.
Would not surprise me if Callum Smith finished his career undefeated imo.

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02 Jun 2019 04:40:27
Whoopsie.

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02 Jun 2019 12:16:09
AJ underestimated him. He couldn't work Ruiz out and showed himself lacking mentally as a fighter.
Fury would eat him alive.

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02 Jun 2019 14:18:53
Wow didn’t see that coming. Hats off to Ruiz and fair play to Joshua, took defeat like a man. The rematch will be a very important fight. U called it hsf fair play mate.

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03 Jun 2019 11:00:52
I said a few weeks ago aj is a fraud and an ex juice head. Might be packing all that muscle but he can’t take a punch. Best heavyweight on the planet, 😂 not even the best in London. Imagine what wilder would have done to him!

It was only a few years ago he was sticking his knees up and yelping when fury was teeing off on him In sparring. Don’t believe the hype, that Eddie Hearn must be gutted now his money trains running out.

How rude of him just to interrupt Ruiz interview and say I’m off, who exactly does he think he is? I hope Ruiz knocks him out again.

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03 Jun 2019 12:19:08
Alot of people mostly casual Joshua fans will have already turned against him, I’m not his favourite fan (fury my favourite), but I wouldn’t kick Joshua too much now that he’s down. 6 months time he could have his titles back and Ruiz Jr’s name will go down in history next to Hasham rahman.

For Joshua what worries me is that it wasn’t a one big lucky punch, it was an accumulation of punches that stopped him, still though a sign of a great champion is how they come back from failure, we see now how good Joshua is.

Imo, Joshua needs to concentrate on his boxing instead of being in every commercial on tv these days.

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03 Jun 2019 15:19:57
Arrogance personified roro. Who’s he to come over and interrupt Ruiz talking when he’s just won the world title? Then says I’m off, it’s like he thinks he’s guaranteed the belt. Coward of a man who turned to boxing as he was scared bigger boys were going to get him in jail. Don’t sell drugs and ruin lives then! Sorry but I never have liked the guy and his arrogance and nice guy persona makes me 🤢.

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03 Jun 2019 16:03:08
I know a lot of people Lerchy mate who years ago people would have classed as scumbags but today they r gentlemen, people can change.

Like I said I'm not Joshuas biggest fan, but I wouldn't jump on the band wagon to put him down. (Not saying u r mate, u have always said how u feel about him) .

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03 Jun 2019 17:29:28
Probably a bit harsh roro I can go on one sometimes 😂. You’re dead right there people change so I’m wrong for saying that.

The mic grabbing at the end sums his character up to me though mate, that was his glory and his time to shine. An should have shut up and waited until he was spoken to if he was the humble guy he makes out.

Anyway, fury next another upset there? No chance!

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03 Jun 2019 18:32:47
Your prob right about Joshua grabbing the mic but again he's just lost his world title and was clearly concussed. He should have showed more class. Fury lol, has me in stitches everytime I see him. He showed get class in his tweet to Joshua unlike that plonker wilder.

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03 Jun 2019 19:04:45
That’s because he’s real mate 😁.

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03 Jun 2019 19:41:29
I want to see fury back in tip top shape here on the 15th. He's had enough time now to get rid of the flab.

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04 Jun 2019 20:34:33
Rematch confirmed, Joshua has to win or its the end imo.

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09 Jun 2019 19:04:46
I have met AJ on a few occasions and the haters couldn’t be me wrong about him.
I don’t understand some people in this country they just love to see people fail and they are a disgrace.
Yes he is an ex drug dealer turned his life round and no matter what people think of him as a boxer he won an Olympic gold medal and became heavyweight champion of the world then you get guys who like fury who pooed it from a rematch with WK twice FACT to go on a bender and get coked out his nut and then he said he was giveing all his money from wilder fight to the homeless which he didn’t FACT and people like they guy 🙈.

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10 Jun 2019 09:06:24
Abit hypocritical Gannet, u congratulate Joshua for turning his life around but at the same time ridicule fury for his past mistakes.

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27 May 2019 21:16:11
On Saturday think we r all know Joshua is going to win, but what I'm more looking forward too is the post fight interview. The Americans love, 'loud and brash'. Joshua will have to abandon his quite and respectful nature, cause this fight is about boosting his reputation in America and the fight alone is not enough to do that.

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28 May 2019 18:52:33
Ruiz has more than a punchers chance. He's got fast hands and bangs pretty hard. He can take a punch too, having been in a 12 round war with Parker which resulted in a majority decision loss for Ruiz.

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29 May 2019 12:01:08
Joshua could easily win this fight just by using his 8 inch reach advantage, but he will realise that Ruiz doesn't have the power to trouble him and just steam roll him about round 4 imo.

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29 May 2019 12:13:53
Joshua imo will fight again outside the UK this year, he wants Wilder, fury or Whyte but all three of them r summer fights and if happen next especially the Wilder or fury fight will be in the states. This trip stateside is about boosting his profile but one fight with ruiz is not enough to do that, imo I don't even think the fight will do good numbers compared to pervious AJ fights, I think people will be turned off by the shape of ruiz and the time the fight is on, that's why imo Joshua will return to the states later in the year and fight possibly ortiz.

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29 May 2019 14:37:01
Wilder is fighting Ortiz in September, it was announced last night, he'll also be fighting Fury after Ortiz, with Kownacki thrown in there somewhere too.

Wilder doesn't want the AJ fight.

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29 May 2019 16:57:50
Doesn't have to be ortiz, could be hunter or Parker again. I just think that Joshua will not fight in the UK this year. The fury and wilder fight made Joshua changed his plan, instead of boxing as the home fighter he's had to go on the road abit for opponents.

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31 May 2019 08:41:43
If Wilder catches. Anybody they are going down.
AJ would win the fight easy if he doesn't have a shoot out.
The fight should be 50/ 50 split if both are laying titles on the line.

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31 May 2019 15:06:01
Agree the fight should be 50/ 50 split, but tbh I do understand why Matchroom doesn't want to give wilder half. Wilders last fight only sold 6000 tickets, compare that to AJ who's selling out stadiums, but I just want to see them fight.

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01 Jun 2019 09:07:57
Wilder doesn't deserve 50/ 50, there are a number of reasons why.
1). Wilder only has 1 belt.
2). Wilder hasn't got a decet resume (Fury and Ortiz in 41 fights. )
3). Wilder has rejected every opportunity to unify titles, even before Joshua had the rest of the belts.
4). Wilders last PPV (vs Fury) managed to bring 350k viewers, compare that to Joshua's regular 1million plus.
5). Wilder is a very dislikable person, especially with his ridiculous "body on my record" comments.
6). No one knows who Wilder is.
https:/ / www. youtube. com/ watch? v=oY9ovhLqTF0&t.

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01 Jun 2019 15:24:10
Wilder might only have one belt but it’s the WBC belt which is regarded as the most prestigious world title of them all and it is the belt every fighter wants.

He is arguably the most exciting and explosive fighter on the planet atm.

He seems to have adapted the bad guy image, a lot of people love that crazy talk for example Mike Tyson and Mcgregor. Wilder could be of the idea that the more outrageous comments he makes people will pay to see him get beat.

Can’t argue with the numbers though, AJ by far is the more marketable and his numbers simply overshadow Wilders.

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03 Jun 2019 11:02:45
I disagree with everything had, Hearn and aj are major fraudsters and ajs boxing ability is about that of Tom stalker he beat an ancient klitschko and had hand picks ever since, good riddance to the fraud.

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19 May 2019 16:25:25
Well, the Wilder vs Breazeale fight was interesting for a whole 10 seconds, then Breazeale got flatlined.

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19 May 2019 23:50:13
Lol, good call hsf. Was some punch.

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