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07 Dec 2018 20:27:21
WBC have ordered an immediate rematch between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

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07 Dec 2018 21:00:52
A statement from the WBC in an article from Skysports

"The World Boxing Council conducted a voting through the board of governors, which resulted in a unanimous agreement to sanction a direct rematch between WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.

Wilder and Fury gave boxing one of the best fights in the heavyweight division in a long time, which has created tremendous popular demand for the fans to see a rematch.

The WBC is happy to confirm that a direct rematch has been approved and will create in a ruling which will also consider the mandatory status of the division.

I wish to once again congratulate Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury for their great battle inside the ring and for the exemplary sportsmanship after the bout. "

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07 Dec 2018 22:38:27
Wilder says he will improve but nothing in his previous fights have shown me he’s any better than He Was the other night, fury will only improve. If Chisora beats whyte where does this leave AJ and Hearn for April? Fury and wilder both out, Usyk not ready. Only really leaves Miller or my preferred option Pulev, only because of what hsf said about him B4. Both not great options imo?

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08 Dec 2018 05:16:11
Pulev would be an ugly as you like fight, with AJ breaking him in around 4 rounds. So I think we can rule that out for now.

Miller's contract is up with DAZN after he fought some romanian cab driver. I think his actual focus is on the WBA regular title, which is about right for someone like him.

Usyk would no doubt step in, but he'd want to be paid huuuuuuuge money for the fight this early. I think Usyk is looking at either the loser of Whyte vs Chisora for his first fight at HW, or maybe even Breazeal, as he'll be waiting around for Fury (who will win the rematch) until December 2019.

I think perhaps Ortiz may get drafted in, assuming Whyte loses to Chisora.
Who knows, maybe if Chisora wins it's because he put on a really good, dominant performance and sleeps Whyte between rounds 5 and 8. If it's a complete slug fest or a lucky punch (like against Takam) then I won't see the appeal.

My guess is it's Joshua vs Whyte II, or Joshua vs Ortiz if Whyte loses to Chisora.
Looking over the rankings, these would be other "ranked" options.

IBF: Kubrat Pulev, Agit Kabayal, Otto Wallin.
WBO: Bryant Jennings, Tom Schwarz, Jarrell Miller.
WBA: Trevor Bryan, Jarrell Miller, Fres Oquendo (wtf really?! ), Manuel Charr (WBA regular) .

Meh. Lol.

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08 Dec 2018 11:48:59
I agree hsf prob will be ortiz, might not be a bad fight. there's no1 really jumping out on the rankings that would be any better of a fight than ortiz.
I think whoever eddie hearn puts on the undercard of Whyte vs Chisora is in with a shout for April, big price? Lol fight would sell.

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08 Dec 2018 20:33:23
Fury should have been awarded the fight never mind a rematch.

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09 Dec 2018 16:07:11
I agree James 100% but there’s no point worrying yourself over it. Like I said before the fight anyone who thinks that it was a given that Tyson would win on a points decision were really selling themselves short or not watched boxing bouts in America much! It’s not even conspiracy anymore. And although I don’t agree with the result I do believe it’s optimistic to say the least to think you can go to America for the wbc heaveyweight title and get floored twice to no reply and the second time a show real knock down and expect to bring the title home. As much as a boxing brain and ability fury has he was foolish to not just keep wilder at bay (which he could have easily done) knowing a KO was wilders only option. But now all that’s left is to praise his ability to get off the canvas and bitch about a Roberery in America ( didn’t you realise before Tyson! Really? ) anyway after the fight I couldn’t give wilder a hope in hell in a rematch unless he just goes out swinging from the bell and hope he does the job before he gases. Anyway we really need a three way between AJ, Wilder and Fury as was pointed out above and regardless of how people think the heavyweight division is alight again no other bouts hold much interest or point!

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09 Dec 2018 23:08:21
I must correct my original post, it seems they haven't ordered a rematch, but they have sanctioned one.
What this means is that Wilder has the "option" of a rematch and the WBC won't stand in his way. However, he can go and fight Breazeale without any WBC reprecussions. I'm not sure whether he can fight anyone outside of his mandatory or the rematch though.

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09 Dec 2018 23:53:04
Why would i be worrying about guys who earn millions? I'm just a boxing fan who knows a fix when i see one.

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10 Dec 2018 16:39:48
There has been plenty of close decisions in America that have gone the way of the British fighter, Brook vs porter, Hatton vs Collazo, Degale vs Dirrell to name a few. It’s just the luck of the draw with what judges you get, some are a lot better than others.

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10 Dec 2018 20:15:16
I agree roro but the operative word was close. It wasn’t really close. But like I say there’s no point fixating on it, fury never got the win, I’m sure he will next time unless he looses the plot again. And in fairness I think the governing body’s should clamp down on people who take lots of drugs then cry for mental health, it goes with the territory.

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11 Dec 2018 00:19:37
I'm not talking about the Fury fight mate. I'm just pointing out that a fighter can still get a fair decision in America.

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07 Dec 2018 19:59:09
Wilder is going to be on the Joe Rogan podcast on Monday.
After seeing his recent comments, "fury didn't beat the count" "I won 10 rounds" "I broke my arm 12 weeks before the fight" and all the other delusional crap that he's spouting, it should make for interesting viewing.

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07 Dec 2018 16:08:53
A quote from Dr. Alexis Turgeon regarding Adonis Stevenson.

“Mr. Stevenson underwent surgery on the night of Saturday to Sunday and has since been admitted to the intensive care unit. He suffers from severe traumatic brain injury. His situation is still stable under the circumstances, but critical. His condition requires mechanical respiratory assistance, deep sedation and specialized neurological monitoring. It is too early to comment on Mr. Stevenson’s long-term prognosis. ”.

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07 Dec 2018 19:25:56
Cheers for the update on him hsf, hope he makes a full recovery.

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04 Dec 2018 00:08:44
Sadly it doesn't look like Khan will give the people what they want. He is reportedly close to signing to fight WBO champion Terence Crawford. It will be a good fight to watch for 6 rounds till Crawford catches up with him. Khan is fooling no1, this is his get out clause, he can say all he wants about fighting for a title but it's another win win fight for him, just like Canelo.

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04 Dec 2018 13:08:11
If he's offered 5 million at MSG he'd be mad not to take the Crawford fight.

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04 Dec 2018 15:23:18
He could make 20m plus for the brook fight. I just don't buy his crap anymore Rian mate, he will never fight brook imo and after Crawford beats him he will retire to the world of strictly and dancing on ice.

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04 Dec 2018 19:43:11
Khan won't make £20m fighting Brook lol. I think you're a little excited Roro! :D
You are right though, he is ducking Brook something chronic and his excuse is legacy this time? Well, enjoy your "legacy" of being a papermache chinned wet wipe then, because Crawford will pound you into the canvas like Brook will, so meh.

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05 Dec 2018 11:28:47
He wants to fight for a world title, what's wrong with that?

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05 Dec 2018 16:13:25
Nothing at all James! You have to agree that he should also look to fight brook. Would you like to see that fight.? I would for sure.

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05 Dec 2018 17:31:30
He's already used that excuse B4 James, he didn't even want to fight brook when brook was world champion.

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05 Dec 2018 18:19:41
From where I’m standing it looks like he’s scared of loosing to brook, not so much scared of brook. He’s taking big pay days and you can’t blame him in some respect. But for me that’s all fair and well but il never respect him. I think Kell is trying to jump through hoops for him! That’s how it comes across to me . On a harsher tone I would probably use the word mi*ge.

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05 Dec 2018 20:31:47
Maybe he just doesn't like Brook lol.

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06 Dec 2018 08:14:35
Khan has flaws, but fear isn’t one of them. He’ll fight anyone. If he loses to Brook he won’t get the Crawford fight, but if he loses to Crawford the Brook fight is still there for him. He’s in the last year of his career and wants to make as much money as possible.

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06 Dec 2018 12:38:00
So it’s about money? Then fight brook cause he could earn more money than fighting Crawford. I thought it was about titles? No guess not cause Khan still didn’t fight brook for his IBF title in 2015 instead choosing to face Chris Algieri on spike tv. Was it not that brook hasn’t faced any top opponents so doesn’t warrant a shot at Khan? Was it not that they were both in different promotional companies so the fight was too hard to make? Was it not that brook could make welterweight anymore so Khan could not trust him for such a big fight?
He’s fooling no1 Rian, the brook fight will not always be there cause Khan will retire B4 he faces him. Bore off Khan u will be remembered in British and Irish boxing for ducking kell brook.

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06 Dec 2018 12:43:53
He's not scared to fight brook he's scared to lose to brook.

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06 Dec 2018 14:29:47
Cheers Roro that’s what I said he is scared to loose to brook and I think he knows that he probably would. I mean a rehydration clause tells you all you need to know. What next one hand tied behind kells back.

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06 Dec 2018 15:09:31
Yes browgun you were right in your post mate.

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06 Dec 2018 23:22:30
Yes Roro it’s about collecting as much cash as possible before he retires. He knows he won’t beat Crawford or Brook. It’s always about the money.

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07 Dec 2018 11:50:14
Time will tell mate, but this time next year Khan will be retired and brook will still be calling him out. Brook needs to forget about him, although Khan will be remembered for ducking brook, Brook will be remembered for just chasing Khan. Time to move on cause it will never happen.

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07 Dec 2018 19:28:13
At the end of the day both of them fight at different weights anyway.

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03 Dec 2018 12:03:25
Away from the Fury fight, Adonis Stevenson is in critical condition after his fight with Gvozdyk, where he was KO'd in the 11th round.

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Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

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03 Dec 2018 19:37:50
Well said hsf mate.

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05 Dec 2018 06:12:57
Terrible news.

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03 Dec 2018 11:56:27
How was that a draw? Boxing in America is cringeworthy at times. Far better in the uk. Fury won that by at the very least 2 points. I had it 115 -113. Fury won all bar 3 rounds, 2 with knockdowns so 10-8s.

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03 Dec 2018 22:30:12
Tom I think your score should read 115-111 to Fury if you think he won 9 rounds to 3.
9-3 would be 117-111 without any knockdowns.

I personally had it 114-112 to Fury, but I can understand the 113-113 score. Some rounds were close. 115-111 to Wilder was very difficult to understand.

The ref deserves credit. Some refs would have waived it off when Fury was on his back in the 12th.

Fury has been dignified and articulate in the aftermath and it’s great to see him back.

I hope both he and Wilder fight Joshua over the next couple of years. Heavyweight division is shining again with three very closely matched champions.

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04 Dec 2018 15:17:26
Yep you're right, to be fair, I was still leathered from watching it so my maths was off. I watched it again since I actually agree with your score.

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04 Dec 2018 20:23:58
It’ll be interesting to see who fights who next. If Fury and Wilder go again in the summer, it could be 2020 before Joshua fights one of them and that will suit Eddie Hearn fine.

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05 Dec 2018 11:31:53
There will be nods and winks between Warren and Hearn.

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05 Dec 2018 20:32:42
Fury is the box office for AJ and Hearn knows it, i can see a rematch between Fury and Wilder, then Fury v AJ.

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03 Dec 2018 01:45:10
Adonis Stevenson has been placed in a medically induced coma after his KO loss to Oleksander Gvozdyk.

Hope for a speedy recovery!

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03 Dec 2018 22:31:21
Fingers crossed he continues to improve and walks out of hospital a healthy man.

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02 Dec 2018 13:29:59
Hi Ed 025, not here to say I told you so but like I said Fury is on another planet to wilder in terms of boxing technique. It's a shame he wasn't blessed with power as he would be truly terrifying if he could bomb like wilder or AJ. Styles make fights and I fancy Fury against both Wilder and AJ as he is hard to tag and he will be better still in 6 months time as we all thought this was too early for him. AJ vs Wilder is a who gets smashed first kind of fight for me.
I never thought I'd live in a world where I'm praising fury but he really is a great example for those who have found themselves in hard times with depression, drink and drugs, he took that robbery so gracefully and he's donating his £8mill purse to aid the homeless. I've been saying the worlds gone mad negatively for some time it's nice to see someone as bonkers as him flip it the other way.

{Ed025's Note - i have yet to see the fight den but by all accounts you are right mate, im not his biggest fan but respected fight fans i was with today seem to concur with you, i will watch it later then decide if i was harsh on him..

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02 Dec 2018 20:08:53
Congratulations to Ben Davison seems a very talented young trainer, was very impressed with the way he controlled the corner.

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02 Dec 2018 05:39:36
Didn't think fury was as good as that, he proved a lot of people wrong there. Brilliant bigman.

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02 Dec 2018 06:01:31
115-111 Wilder, seriously? I'm never buying a PPV again.

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02 Dec 2018 06:17:18
Absolutely crazy mate, he certainly surprised me.

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02 Dec 2018 06:24:23
Although fury won the fight in my eyes, them 2 knockdowns cost him we know how hard it is too get a decision in USA, credit too fury too comeback too perform like that is so commendable.

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02 Dec 2018 06:03:23
Ello ed mate I think fury proved tonight he actually is straight from the school of the sweet science, and also has a serious chin on him too get up from that, wow! , I love fury he is a different type of guy he a traveller they have a whole different way an mentality too most but he is hilarious like a 15 year old trapped in a man's body, think his balls only dropped 2 years ago, he had a high pitched voice put the weight on then got all gruff , back too fight he should of took that last round off just kept him at bay, any way boss fight.

{Ed025's Note - i have not seen it yet hailstones, i stayed up till after 3 but could not stay awake any longer mate, i will look at it later on today and see what all the hype was about..

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02 Dec 2018 08:29:35
Yeah nightmare these late ones mess me up.

{Ed025's Note - me too mate..

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02 Dec 2018 11:02:34
Very proud of fury, I thought he had a chance on points. The knockdowns cost him so much.
If there is a rematch in the uk fury will be favourite in my opinion.

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02 Dec 2018 14:31:27
Me too Walter, I reckon a fitter fury in the rematch beats him and then beats AJ. Joshua might be an Olympic gold medallist but I don't think he's a good boxer tbh.

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02 Dec 2018 17:46:24
Agreed Roro, I do like joushua though. Not as good as he is hyped up to be. Tyson I feel would win on points.

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02 Dec 2018 19:02:23
Well I was wrong. but right as I said if it goes to points it was no forgone conclusion like many fury backers were making out. I scored it 114-112 fury. It wasn’t as wide as Bt sport were making out and the first five rounds were very subjective. However you can’t take a title if you have been put on your hoop twice the second time very heavily! Big credit to fury and the ref because in previous wilder fights the ref has stopped it after similar knock downs. He got up and was on the front foot after wilder gassed. Wilders boxing skills are no better than you or i. Something I will add is that some have comended fury’s chin? Really it’s naff, glass almost. When he got caught he went down so naff chin heart of a lion and that’s where I tip my hat. Agreed anywhere else then fury wins! Also I thought he handled himself in the aftermath was very respectable and there I tip my hat also. AJ is beatable but I think he is atm a step on from both. But there’s 3 very different styles there and all could pose a problem to each. But I fell that AJ can box far better than wilder and hits as heavy I believe his movement and footwork is worse than fury’s but he’s got enough to close the gap, work the body and physically overpower fury. But after last night he warrants a shot at AJ.

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02 Dec 2018 20:22:32
Another thing I might add is that the opinion of anyone fury and wilder respected each other and deep down fury knows it wasn’t as a perfect a display it could have been for him and not a deserved as should be attempt when your trying to snatch a belt of a champion on his home turf.

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02 Dec 2018 20:36:53
Wilder's performance last night might entice aj into really forcing to face him in April. Wilder's skills r poor I agree but I still reckon he lands on aj and stops him.

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02 Dec 2018 21:00:04
Fury's chin is naff? Are you serious?! That's just as bad as your bigoted comment in another thread.

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02 Dec 2018 22:19:34
Was that fury at 100%? Maybe performance wise yes, but physically no. I just watched the fight again with a clear head instead of last night with one eye open. A draw was not far away from the right decision. Although when the champion scores 2 knock downs and still only gets a draw in his own country shows how dominant his opponent was in the other rounds. Give fury another training camp or 2 and he will be even better than he has been.

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03 Dec 2018 00:12:25
I think Fury can step it up a notch Roro, if you're not physically fit, you won't perform your best.

If Fury hands down beat Wilder like this, then when he's physically at 100% he'll be faster, more reactive, punching more accurately, better co-ordinated footwork, timing improvement.
There is a lot that will improve as he regains his fitness.

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03 Dec 2018 11:48:13
No one would listen to me Roro, that's a guy who lost 10 stone and had 3 years out and still nearly done the business, Fury with another stone off him and more endurance training will beat Wilder with a shut out next time, only the ring rust and the extra timber made him get caught with the two knockdown shots, a sharper Fury would have avoided them, can you imagine what he'll be like when fully fit?

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03 Dec 2018 11:49:52
I haven’t seen the contest but you have to admire Fury and the way he has come back from his problems.
Having said that, I’m not convinced he’s the best advert for post-depression.
He reminds me of Gazza.

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03 Dec 2018 12:28:43
I don’t think his chin is great. I think his resolve is great for getting up but hey ho. It’s ok for fury to spout his homophobic nonsense though. But in fairness he looks like he has matured a bit.

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03 Dec 2018 20:02:04
There is no shame in getting dropped in the heavyweights all the great champions have been stopped or dropped before.

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04 Dec 2018 08:03:20
No shame at all Roro.

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