19 Oct 2021 09:45:31
Do you think the last couple of weeks was the peak for this current heavyweight crop? If Usyk beats Joshua again that's arguably the end of Joshua and the Fury fight. Usyk v Fury is good fight but will it grab the imagination and spotlight like what we had over the last couple of weeks? Whyte v Fury good fight in UK not going to grab the global attention imo. Wilder v Joshua is still an attractive bout or Wilder v Joyce but at the moment Wilder could walk away. How many more has Fury got in him? With no Aj no Wilder does he stick around?

Hopefully the next crop of heavyweights don't bring as much politics with them so we can get more of the fights we want. With the heavyweight division being so dormant its good to see it back and hope it continues.

1.) 20 Oct 2021
20 Oct 2021 16:45:53
No Joshua isn't finished if he loses to Usyk. Wlad had 5 losses on his record and is still considered the best of his era.
He's always in the gym and genuinely lives the life. He's got a lot ahead of him yet if he wants it.

Usyk vs Fury will be a horrible fight to watch for the casuals, but it will be special as it will be the two best heavyweight boxers of the era facing off. A lot of people are discounting Usyk already which given the way he man-handled Joshua, surprises me.

Wilder needs to retire, he's a joke. Moving on.

Joyce needs his shot within the next 2 years or it will be too late. His main assets are his chin and stamina, both are the first things to go (along with speed) when you start to regress.

Unfortunately for us Brits I think the next heavyweight era will belong to America. Our prospects don't seem to really have much behind them at the minute.

2.) 21 Oct 2021
21 Oct 2021 13:30:21
I think the only way we can better the last few weeks is if Joshua beats Usyk. Then the Fury Joshua fight will be as big as it would have been before Joshua lost to Usyk. As it stands its still a big fight and of course Joshua is a massive star so his fights will always attract a lot of attention. Although imo if he loses to Usyk again the Fury fight is still big fight but it won't be anything like it would have been if Aj had beat Usyk.

Some good match-ups still to be had from this current crop maybe they haven't peaked yet. Your right they r all knocking on abit now so let's hope they start fighting each other. With the way the division is now there is no guarantee any of the chasing pack will get a shot or how long they will have to wait for it. If the champs don't want to fight them they should do what the likes of Charley Burley and Sam Langford did when chasing the champions, beat every other contender out there. That's all they can do.

3.) 24 Oct 2021
24 Oct 2021 11:57:56
Absolutely, and to be fair that is more or less what Joshua and Whyte (to a lesser extent) have been doing.

Fury, for all his skills and ability has kind of conned the general public. He has only fought two worth while names in 4 of his 32 fights (Klitschko, Wilder x3), the rest have all been continental level and below. You could make an argument for Steve Cunningham to be included as a note worthy name, but he's no heavyweight.

That's not to say he's not the #1 Heavyweight because he is. He has skills that the rest do not, it's just he hasn't fought enough note worthy names to be considered a great yet. If you add Whyte, Joshua and Usyk to his resume with 2 of those being a win at minimum then he's an all time great. Add a couple more and you can put him in the conversation with Lennox Lewis.

4.) 27 Oct 2021
27 Oct 2021 17:33:19
Sorry hsf but wilder has more heart on his little toe than aj and it'd make more sense to me that AJ would retire. AJ won't brawl like wilder did, he hasn't the same passion as when he fought kilitshcko he's out on his feet and just in it for the money.

After the last fight with fury I feel wilder is a true warrior and would ko AJ in five rounds

I truly think wilder is one of the all time greats he just fought the greatest of all time.

And before you jump on me with the Ali Tyson etc. Tyson was 5"11 Ali 6"2. Fury is 6"9 so in my humble opinion fury beats both. Ali on points and he kos Tyson.

5.) 27 Oct 2021
27 Oct 2021 20:18:32
Imo u need to win more than a couple of fights to be labelled an all time great, there's an arguement that Mike Tyson shouldn't be labelled an all time great. All any fighter can do is beat who's in his time and Fury hasn't fought a quarter of the decent heavyweights currently operating.

Imo Fury doesn't fight Joshua the with the same strategy of the Wilder fight. Joshua is better technically and better fighting backwards. I believe Fury boxes on the back foot and waits for Aj to fade before stepping on the gas late, maybe he just cruises to a points victory.

Wilder vs Aj imo is a who lands first type of fight.

6.) 27 Oct 2021
27 Oct 2021 23:26:22
48 knockouts out of 49 is greatness at any level but I suppose greatness is a subjective term.

In my opinion greats would include holyfield, Lennox, shavers, even kilitshcko and I definitely put wilder on that list.

I respect your points and opinion Roro but on my opinion aj is levels below both and is around a Tony bellew, David price level for me mate. Barring the amazing fight against a 41 year old kilitshcko, AJ hasn't done much.

Apologies for my spelling.

7.) 28 Oct 2021
28 Oct 2021 19:26:18
So here is my full overview of Wilder for you Pete, just to explain where I'm coming from.


Early career:
For his early career he, like most other fighters fought against 'give me' opponents, as in give me a paycheque and I'll fall over for you. This is fine as I think in recent memory the only one or two not to do this was Lomachenko and perhaps Joe Joyce on a lesser extent.

He did what was expected and knocked them all out, but it wasn't without issues. He suffered his first knockdown against Dustin Nichols

And two fights later, he was dropped heavily by Harold Sconiers and thanks to Golden Boy (Wilders promoter at the time) the footage is absolutely no where to be found - scrubbed from the internet. Lots of places have claimed that Wilder was actually knocked out, but I've not seen the footage so I can't confirm it.

Mid career:
This is the time when fighters usually make a step up to either full domestic level or Continental level depending on their natural skill set. Wilder just continued fighting 'give me' fights. There isn't a single reputable name in his resume at this point.

Established as a contender:
While establishing himself as a contender, he continued to fight no one of note. There are a few undefeated fighters in the resume here, but they are carefully picked opponents, as you can see they went on to lose consistently or retired after losing to Wilder. These were padded records against another padded record.

It wasn't until he fought Malik Scott that he got his first credible name on his resume. But if you know a thing about Boxing and watched that fight, you'll know for a fact that Scott took a dive. A more blatant dive than Neymar.

Scott is the kind of fighter that stops fighting as soon as it gets a bit tough or as soon as the guy has a pulse I should say. Just watch Scott vs Chisora, Wilder or Ortiz, it's just a big fat joke.

In Wilders last fight before taking on WBC champion Bermain Stiverne for the first time, he decided to fight the mighty Jason Gavern. This is unacceptable.

Title reign:
When Wilder fought Stiverne, I watched it live and I thought Wilder had a bit of promise about him. He didn't show off, he stuck to a game plan and genuinely outboxed and beat up Stiverne. He got wild quite a bit, but I was of the impression that with the right guidance he could become a pretty impressive fighter.

Unfortunately he let it get to his head and in his first defense, he gets rocked hard against a powder puff Music teacher Eric Molina. Keep in mind, this is his 33rd professional fight.

His fight with Duhaupas was a struggle for him, a guy with a real solid chin who just kept his hands high and came forward. He gave Wilder hell and it was the first time we'd seen Wilder suffer a bit of a beating. He won via a TKO after Duhaupas gassed out, but he never went down.

Szpilka was arguably out boxing him until he walked onto a right hand. He's a much smaller guy and we've seen what lesser fighters like Kownacki and Chisora did to him, so this also looks badly on Wilder.

Arreola and Washington are tailor made for Wilder, they are essentially walking punch bags.

He then rematches Stiverne, who had been inactive for 2 years and magically got handed the mandatory slot for beating Derric Rossy (Who? ) . This was an obvious con job by that horrific state Don King and Wilder's team didn't protest. He flattened Stiverne in terrifying fashion and it was horrible to see.

But then he fought Ortiz for the first time and (perhaps because of my bias) I felt the fight should have been stopped at the end of the 7th. Wilder was gone and they even had the doctor come in at the start of round 8 to check on him. But he knocked Ortiz out once the aging Ortiz had punched himself out.

After this he fights Fury for the first time and commits the robbery of the century. I don't need to say any more than that.

His fight with Breazeale was just obviously going to end that way. Breazeale uses his face to block punches so it was no surprise that he got starfished. However Wilder got wobbled in the first exchange and Breazeale smothered his own work, which lead to Breazeale getting clipped and staggering all over the place, before being zapped into a black hole.

It's at this point he turns down a guaranteed $120 million and 50% of PPV revenue to sign for DAZN and fight Whyte then Joshua twice. He does this in favour of fight Luis Ortiz in a rematch for $1.5 million. I don't even know where to begin with this, it's such a stupid, STUPID decision. This is also the point where he brutally knocked out an ESPN Mascot live on air then striking a martial arts pose, leading to the poor guy in the mascot suit needing surgery on his jaw.

In the Ortiz rematch he was getting beaten up for 8 rounds, but then he actually showed some fight IQ and set a trap which knocked Ortiz into another dimension. Great knockout.

Wilder vs Fury II was just a concentrated beat down. Wilder was utterly destroyed leading to the towel being thrown in and the aftermath is just comical. The excuses, the accusations, the treatment of Mark Breland, just wow. Oh and who can forget in the build up "TO THIS DAY! " to Radio Raheem, trying to turn the fight into a race war.

He then gets beaten up again and knocked out brutally by Fury. He shows no respect by refusing to shake hands or acknowledge Fury.

But you know what they say? You find out who you really are in a Boxing ring when you're in a tough situation, you show your true colours. Looks like Wilder did just that.

People bang on about his 10 title defenses, but 2 of them were rematches, no unifications and let's be honest here, outside of Fury and Ortiz there aren't any credible names.

If you compare this with Joshua, who was a world title holder after 16 fights, unified on his 19th and 21st fight and his since fought top 10 contenders while chasing undisputed. Joshua has done everything he can to obtain the undisputed crown but each time he's been ducked or conned. So instead he's fought the best of the rest and mandatories. You can't ask for more than that from him. The only blip on his record in terms of opponent ranking after he fought Wlad is Takam, who was a late replacement for the injured mandatory challenger Pulev.

8.) 01 Nov 2021
01 Nov 2021 11:09:28
There's a lot more to it Hsf mate. It's just not as simple as take the money and fight on DAZN. Al Haymon and Finkle are big supporters of the Ppv model and with Hearns comments of world domination they r not to quick to give DAZN the biggest fight of the year and aload more subscribers at the same time. The same can be said with Joshua, he was offered 50mil for the fight but couldn't accept it because the money was coming from btsports who wanted to show the fight on their platform, something Hearn and Joshua couldn't do. The contracts aswell although Wilder used the excuse of no date no venue, they were heavily favored in Joshua corner like if Joshua loses he gets a rematch wilder loses no rematch. It was a non starter mate.

To be a great fighter or to be remembered as a great u need to be in an entertaining era and fight all the best of that time. That's near impossible to do with the amount of different TV networks and promoters.