10 Nov 2020 13:35:51
Debunking the myth of Luis Ortiz.

Let's start this off by looking at Luis Ortiz' amateur record.
According to Peoplepill and many other sources, he holds an amateur record of 343-19. Peoplepill go on to list his accolades too, including 5 Cuban national championship medals (2002 - Silver medal 95 kg, 2003 - Bronze medal 91+ kg, 2005 - Silver medal 91 kg, 2006 - Gold medal 91 kg, 2008 - White Ribbon 91+ kg) As well as his international results (2005 - Panamerican Championships, Brazil - Gold medal 91 kg, 2005 - World Cup (Team Competition), Russia - Silver medal 91 kg, 2005 - World Championships, China - Quarter-finalist) .

I did some digging and found that only BoxRec has any real record of his amateur fights and they list him as 11-4, which is his Cuban national championship fights from 2004-2008.
Further digging found a few articles about him losing 5 times to Odlanier Solís and a few forum posts discussing him losing to Felix Savon and beating Mike Perez. Aside from that, I've found nothing on his actual fights.

The biggest omission from his amateur record is any participation in the Olympics, I found a few forum posts discussing this, with one person claiming he never made it past the trial stages. Which is understandable, considering Felix Savon ruled 91 kg (Heavyweight) division between 1992 and 2000, but he could have competed in the 91+ kg division (Super Heavyweight) . Cuba have only medalled twice in that division, with Roberto Balado taking gold in 1992 and Michel López Núñez getting a Bronze in 2004.
He had ample opprtunity to compete in the Olympics, as Cuba didn't even send a competitor for 2 Olympics during his amateur years.

I suspect that his amateur career is either greatly exaggerated, or most of his amateur fights were back room bar fights.

Onto his professional record and his status as the divisions "Bogeyman". A status which I believe is unjustified as he's not someone who instills fear into his competition. He is a very good technical boxer, but he's not this knockout monster that people claim he is.

For a start, he's never fought anyone in the professional ranks. His best win came against Bryant Jennings which is a good win in all honesty, but when its your only good win, what does that say? He's also not an overly dangerous puncher, most of his stoppages have been from accumilation of punches rather than knocking people out, plus the level of opponent is not good.

The definition of Boegeyman is someone who instills fear into their competition, and Ortiz does not do that in my opinion.

Onto Ortiz' age, which has been questioned by so many people. During my research for Ortiz amateur record, I came across a forum thread from 2017 which just about summed it up. Each reply was progressively making out he was older. It started off that he was Muhammed Ali and Sonny Listons sparring partner, and ended up with him coming second in the Bethlehem Golden Gloves to Jesus and having an autographed Bible. So it's widely considered Ortiz is older than he is.
But is there any evidence for this? Not really, it's mainly stemmed from the history of Cuban athletes in Baseball saying they were younger, because it would get them a more lucrative contract. But there was also the failed PED test blamed on blood pressure medication and then in 2018 there was a statement from UFC Fighter Yoel Romero, saying he knew Ortiz from the Cuban national academy and in his words he's "40 or 41" (his official age at the time was 38/ 39).

If I was to guess, I would probably say his age is legitimate, there isn't strong enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

So inconclusion, I think Luis Ortiz AM record is exaggerated, I believe his professional record is padded and he is not the divisions Bogeyman and I don't believe that he's lying about his age.

Any thoughts?

1.) 10 Nov 2020
10 Nov 2020 17:24:48
Damn it I deleted part of it by mistake.

I was meant to also say that his hopes of going to the Olympics at 91 kg would have been ended up Odlanier Solis in 2004 and went on to take gold and then in the pros got knocked out in the first round by Vitali Klitschko and beaten twice by an old Tony Thompson.
In 2008 the 91 kg contender was Osmay Acosta who went on to win gold.
In 2008 Luis Ortiz was beaten by Robert Alphonso who went on to compete in the Super Heavyweight Olympics and lost in the first round to the man that Charles Martin fought for the IBF world title, Vyacheslav Glazkov (if you remember his leg fell off in that fight) .

So this explains why he never made it to the Olympics.

2.) 10 Nov 2020
10 Nov 2020 21:43:26
He wouldn't be the first boxer to have a padded record. See it all the time with Eastern European boxers who come over with a half decent record but when inspected it turns out they have been fighting milk men in the local community hall.
Ortiz for me was a hype job. Came on the science no1 heard of him and Matchroom done a great job promoting him. So much so that we looked past an average fight with Dave Allen and didn't really criticize him at all.
I have never really been impressed with Ortiz except for afew rounds against Wilder, who is not the hardest person to look good against in a boxing match. His record might suggest he's a big puncher but I don't think he is.
I think the issue with Ortiz and could throw afew Cuban fighters into this category who have turned pro, they seem to just want to make the money. When it gets tough they don't want it. Maybe it's the amount of gruelling amateur contests they have had b4 but in the paid ranks I've seen a fair amount of them quit or stroll when it get tough. Then u throw in the whole double failed drugs test and it all points to hype job trying to make as much doe as quickly as he can.

3.) 10 Nov 2020
10 Nov 2020 21:46:29
Forgot to say mate good research for your post. Well written.

4.) 11 Nov 2020
11 Nov 2020 00:52:53
Thanks bud.

I don't think it's the money, at least not solely that. I think it has more to do with their fundementals. They always get knocked out in the pro HW division for some reason, perhaps they don't train to protect against power punching, or perhaps Cubans are just genetically not as durable as other places? It really is confusing, when you consider the accolades the get in the amateurs and even in the pro ranks down the weights.
The greatest amateur HW of all time is widely considered to be Felix Savon, his nephew Erislandy Savon is going to be rated just as highly when he retires too, both Cuban.

I would just like to say, I wasn't trying to bash Ortiz with this post, and probably should have made that clear. He is a very good boxer and is a dangerous fight for any of the top level guys, I just don't think he's as good as many think he is.