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15 Sep 2019 10:07:17
Some very critical comments about Tyson Fury's weight (and perceived power) loss after this mornings fight from John Fury.
From what I gather, Fury was only 2 lbs or so lighter than he was at the Wilder fight though he would be at his lightest ever fighting weight of 154 lbs?
John's assertion was that he "is a 19 stone fighter".
That seems awfully heavy for a boxer to me and, with Fury's body shape, difficult to see where he accommodates that gain without looking bloated?

I'm far from a boxing expert but I get the impression (and this is not to ignore the training camps he does) that Fury primarily gets by on great technique and great heart.
If Joshua had been cut as severely as that, I'd wager he'd have been beaten.

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1.) 15 Sep 2019 15:33:35
I think that big John wants Tyson to not have to rely on his upper body movement so much and add more weight to add more power in his punches, a 19st Tyson would still be hard to hit and have more power to keep the opponent off him. Although Tyson is not that type of fighter, he's never been a type of fighter.
John does have a point about the condition of Tyson though as he did seem to gas out after 3 rounds. He could have underestimated Wallin and not prepared himself mentally for it, although to suffer a cut like that and basically been down to one eye and still box yourself to a points win, john should look more at the positives imo.

A thought I've had is Tyson has said him self he has an addictive personality, he's lost around 9stone recently is dieting his new addiction?


2.) 15 Sep 2019 15:49:13
He’s probably cut out eating the rubbish but I’ve read about the enjoyment he’s getting from training now. Certainly physical exercise can be addictive, particularly for depression sufferers, and is excellent therapy.
But the obvious effect is weight loss.
Great point that Roro, I hadn’t considered Fury’s personality at all but it’s bound to be a significant factor.


3.) 15 Sep 2019 20:14:21
If big john is correct in what he's saying and that Tyson is better suited around the 19st mark, its going to be a difficult one if training and losing weight is helping his depression but hindering his boxing mate.


 

 

17 Jun 2019 08:40:29
What are eds / people's thoughts on the physical condition of a lot of the heavyweights recently, they look like out-of-condition truck drivers?
Fury is a very good boxer, no doubt, but his skinny legs and jelly waist, doesn't exactly look athletic.
If the guy *really* got into shape, he'd be scary.
But it doesn't say a lot for the division when he's top dog?

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - there has always been a fair amount of that in the heavyweight division to be honest. It is just that there has usually been one or two (or more) top class guys above them.}


1.) 17 Jun 2019 15:58:31
There is no weight limit in heavyweight boxing and they aye such big men, a lot of them just eat too much.

Although there can be strategic thinking behind a heavyweight coming in overweight. The heavier you are the harder your punching power is going to be, also if you are fighting a more skillful fighter the extra weight gives u the advantage of being stronger in the clinches.

As long as a fighter is fit enough to carry it, a little extra weight can be useful, if not fit enough they r sitting ducks.
No excuse for a fighter coming in massively overweight though.


2.) 17 Jun 2019 21:00:01
I’d say fury is in great shape and all body types are different. No matter what fury would never get ripped like Joshua and that’s just genetics. Oddly the ones with the muscles mostly seem less powerful and sometimes slower than the ones without. Mark hunt from the ufc is the perfect example of this. He’s probably the hardest one punch knock out artist going yet has the body of a sumo. That’s not to say he isn’t pure muscle he is but because of genetics it looks had more fat on top.


3.) 18 Jun 2019 00:55:38
Muscles don't mean you can fight. They can help, there is a goldie locks zone for it like there is for life (as we know it) to survive. Too much muscle and you'll look impressive, however you'll be slow and likely gas out after a 3 punch combination. Not enough muscle and your power won't be effective. But with the correct amount you'll be able to balance speed and power to an effective means.

This is all subject to being trained though, as you could have the perfect body type to fight, but can't throw a punch to save your life. Very much like this guy in this video.

It's worth watching to the end, as you get a chance to see what happens when someone who can't fight, picks a fight with someone who most definitely can.


4.) 18 Jun 2019 11:39:50
Why was that guy anywhere near a boxing ring? He should have just went to the barbers then went home.

On a serious note, his trainer or promotional team should have told him he's not a boxer.


5.) 18 Jun 2019 22:49:39
I agree Roro, how he was able to get a boxing license is beyond me. I mean the BBBoC wouldn't give Let's Go Champ (Shannon Briggs) a license to fight in the UK, simply because of his age. Yet there are some pretty good boxers out there that he would still beat, such as David Price, Manuel Charr, Johan Duhaupus, Robert Helenius, plus many more. They might not be champion material (Charr has the WBA Regular title some how), but they're active and not really considered Journeymen (yet) .

Getting back to the original topic, Aside from Joshua and Holyfield, I can't really remember a champion who was as muscle bound as those two.


6.) 19 Jun 2019 11:57:18
Bbboc have handed out some dodgy licences over the years, Freddie flintcroft springs to mind.

Off top of my head most muscle bound heavyweight fighter I can think of, prob frank burno.


7.) 19 Jun 2019 15:57:52
Wow how did I forget Bruno?


8.) 23 Jun 2019 08:44:15
Ken Norton was always in great shape when he was fighting.


 

 

 

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15 Sep 2019 15:49:13
He’s probably cut out eating the rubbish but I’ve read about the enjoyment he’s getting from training now. Certainly physical exercise can be addictive, particularly for depression sufferers, and is excellent therapy.
But the obvious effect is weight loss.
Great point that Roro, I hadn’t considered Fury’s personality at all but it’s bound to be a significant factor.

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31 Dec 2018 17:20:43
Have you done a Floyd Mayweather profile Ed?
Still knocking them out, and earning £, in his 40s.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - not yet mate.}


 

 

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03 Dec 2018 11:49:52
I haven’t seen the contest but you have to admire Fury and the way he has come back from his problems.
Having said that, I’m not convinced he’s the best advert for post-depression.
He reminds me of Gazza.

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16 Sep 2018 16:39:18
Thanks very much Ed025.
You should do a review maybe Ed, or were you out on the town somewhere when it was on?

The Juicer

{Ed025's Note - i was out in woolton juicer but watched it when i got home mate..


 

 

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16 Sep 2018 14:38:57
Did anyone see the GGG / Canelo fight?
The correct decision?

The Juicer

{Ed025's Note - it was very close juicer and a cracking fight, too close to call for me mate and i had it 114/114 myself, there will be a another episode of this im sure..


 

 

 

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